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Highlights from seventh Advances in Energy Studies Conference in Barcelona
by Gail Tverberg
Last week, I participated (as an invited speaker) in the 7th Advances in Energy Studies Conference in Barcelona, Spain. Other invited speakers were Charlie Hall, Joe Tainter, Marcel Collel, and Seth Blumsack. Other Oil Drum staff members at the conference were Ugo Bardi and Dave Murphy--Ugo as one of the speakers, and Dave as the second author on Charlie Hall's presentation. Dave also asked lots of good questions! In this post, I give a few highlights of the conference. The full agenda can be found here. Charles Hall - Adjusting to New Energy Realities in the Second Half of the Age of Oil Charlie Hall started the conference off, talking about the fact that we have all lived all of our lives on the upslope of oil production. Current economic views regarding the likelihood of long term economic growth are based on historical patterns, but are quite probably not true, going forward. We need new economic theories applicable to the downslope we are approaching. Prof. Hall presented the work of Dave Murphy (his PhD student and our Oil Drum author), showing that high oil prices tend to go with recession, and low oil prices go with expansion. Recession tends to hit at $80 to $85 a barrel, or when consumption equals 5.5% of GDP. I won't show the slides, since we have seen similar ones before. He also talked about the relationship between oil availability and GDP, showing first a slide with the historical relationship between increases in oil use and world GDP, and then showing a quality adjusted slide, comparing the growth in all fuels to the growth in world GDP. He also talked about how EROI seems to be declining for all types of fossil fuels. Most of the amounts we see quoted are calculated at the point of production, but there is also a significant drop in EROI between where the fuel is extracted and the point where the energy is actually used. As an example, he showed the above graph, showing an estimate of natural gas EROI, at the well head and at the point of use. Prof. Hall made the observation that the EROIs are declining so much, and the difference between the EROI at the point of calculation and where the energy is delivered is so large, that coal may be what is running the US economy--the net energy added by all other types of energy on a delivered basis may be insignificant. Prof. Hall concluded by showing a slide suggesting new ways to do economics, in a post peak world. Mark Brown - False Promise of Renewables In his paper, Mark Brown sums up his findings as follows:
Alevgul Sorman - Metabolic Trends Alevgul Sorman (who is student of Mario Giampietro, one of the chairs of the conference committee) presented work in which she had broken out energy use by sector (agricultural, productive, services, and household) for several countries. These countries generally show less "energy intensity" over time (higher GDP growth than would be expected based on growth in energy use). But when one looks at the results by sector, Sorman showed that this is the result of a change in mix. Within the different categories, energy intensity is increasing over time. It is just because less productive work--manufacturing--is done, and more services are provided, that energy use per unit of GDP is declining. Ugo Bardi - EROEI and net energy in the exploitation of natural resources I was not able to be present for Ugo Bardi's talk, but heard it was very good. Based on the paper he submitted, the talk was fairly closely related to the Mind -Sized Hubbert post he wrote for The Oil Drum in September 2009, using the Lotka-Volterra model applied to resource exploitation. In his paper, the focus was more on the net energy that is generated and the capital available from a system with declining resources. According to his analysis, Net Energy is expected to have a maximum that takes place, approximately, near the production peak: Capital available for reinvestment is only a fraction of the positive net energy generated. This relationship can be used to estimate historical EROEI, assuming all of the net energy is reinvested. This will give too low an EROEI, since only a part of the energy return is invested. Perhaps Ugo can explain more about his ideas in a post. Marcell Collel - Nuclear Marcell Collel (one of the organizers of ASPO-Spain) gave a talk on his view of nuclear. He pointed out that a huge number of new reactors (1000 - 1500) that would be needed, if a true shift toward nuclear were planned. Even replacing reactors that are near the ends of their lives will be a major undertaking. He pointed out that a "nuclear renaissance" is unlikely. In his abstract, he says:
Michael Dittmar - Nuclear Michael Dittmar also talked about Nuclear. His paper can be found here. As readers of Oil Drum posts by Michael Dittmar might guess, his expectation is that the amount of electricity generated from nuclear sources will decline in years ahead. One of the issues is the age of nuclear power plants. Only a handful are now over 40 years old, and these seem to be showing signs of deterioration. It is likely that quite a few nuclear power plants will need to be replaced in the years ahead, just to keep generating capacity level. Michael Dittmar also sees problems with long term uranium production. Xin Li - Wind Power in China Xin Li gave an interesting talk about critical issues facing China as they add new wind capacity--lack of adequate transmission lines; distance between where wind energy is generated and where it can be used; and a lack of easily-variable back-up power (since most electricity production is coal generated). It sounds like the installed capacity is not being fully utilized. Quoting from his paper:
Seth Blumsack - Smart Grid Seth Blumsack gave a very lukewarm endorsement for the smart grid. While we need a smart grid if we have electric cars and local electricity generation, it will create a more complex, less predictable system. It is not clear that the investment will be worthwhile. Quoting from his abstract:
Mario Giampietro -Energy Statistics Mario Giampietro (one of the chairs of the conference committee) talked about the difficulty of aggregating different types of energy, when they have quality difference, and really cannot be substituted for each other. One thing he mentioned is the practice of converting hydroelectric and nuclear to "tons of oil equivalent" in different ways, making nuclear look like it is disproportionately more of the total than hydroelectric. According to his paper:
Joseph Tainter - The Energy Complexity Spiral Joe Tainter's topics were similar to ones he has covered elsewhere. If you hear him in person, he does an amazing job of presenting his talks--a mellow voice that flows, with a sense of humor built in. I'll show some of his slides, to show some of his major points: Gail Tverberg - Peak Oil and the Continuing Financial Crisis I gave the concluding talk of the three day conference. (I was also on the "team" that talked to students from 11 high schools the day following the three-day conference.) My talk was close to a combination of two previous Oil Drum posts, with a few things added. The two most similar previous posts were: Where we are Headed: Peak Oil and the Financial Crisis (March 2009) Delusions of Finance: Peak Oil and the Financial Crisis (Feb. 2010). Since many folks are familiar with these, I will not repeat what I said here. For those interested in reading something similar to my talk, this is a link to a PDF version of my talk. Original article available here |
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